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Poll: What pitcher should be traded for Halladay?
November 24th, 2009, 4:17 pm · 25 Comments · posted by Mark Whicker, ocregister.com
If it’s true that the Angels are again talking to Toronto about Roy Halladay, the price will be high — to sign Halladay long-term and to get him in the first place.
The Blue Jays will want at least one of the Angels’ young starting pitchers, along with several other prospects. There are pitchers I would think about, but the 32-year-old Halladay isn’t one.
Still, he would be more than a good replacement for John Lackey. The problem would be signing him long-term after next season.
What would you do?
What pitcher should the Angels give up in a deal for Roy Halladay?
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How about Spier and Kelvim Escobar?
How about just Escobar…I swear he’s been faking these injuries all this time just to go back to Toronto. It’s a silent protest.
A little tough to trade Escobar and Speier when they are free agents …
I say don’t do it, don’t sacrifice pitching right now. We’ll need all of them next season. The Angels will be Lackey-less next season so Arte should just sign Halladay when he becomes a free agent next year. Go after Joel Pineiro, or another half decent fifth starter. Sign Bay, Figgy, Oliver. Let Vlady go.
That bad part about that is that there might not be a next year. Blue Jays GM is giving teams a window to talk about a contract extension with Halladay. And we all know that other big market teams (Yankees,Red Sox, Dodgers) are also gonna be after him.
Remember when the Angels traded Kotchman & a relief pitcher for three months of Teixeira, because Teixeira was going to get us over that hump into the World Series? The Angels one ONE more game before being eliminated by the Red Sox.
Halladay can match up with Sabathia & Lee, so I’d love to see the Angels get him. But, Weaver & Saunders are a combined 99-49 in the big league career. WHY would we give them up for someone who MIGHT (like Teixiera) help the Angels get over the hump?
Sounds like someone’s using Obama on China SNL skit reasoning!
DO NOT give up a big club starting pitcher for a starting pitcher. That’s just dumb! The Angels have Weaver, Saunders, Santana and Kazmir as an awesome foursome. No on Aybar. No on Weaver, Saunders or Kazmir. And, only a maybe on Santana.
Let the Yankees have Roy Halladay. He’s overpaid and overrated. I like the guys we got. His ornery attitude wouldn’t fit our clubhouse. Bring back Lackey!
what do you know about baseball? Halladay is actually one of the most underpaid players according to experts, look it up, he took a pay cut to stay in Toronto because he wanted to win here, he couldve gotten as much as C.C. got, as well Halladay is very nice and has always kept his mouth shut
We have been keeping our prospects for the last 4 to 5 years and haven’t won it all yet. The yankees showed you that pitching win.
would either keep Lackey or go get Halladay. If not Boston or NY will and we will be lucky to even win the west again. We are suppose to be a wealthy club so spend Arte spend.
Who are you trying to fool. Yourself? Halladay can go nine innings every game, keeps his pitch count around 100 and is the most successful pitcher during the last ten years with Toronto. If the Yankees get him, forget ever winning the american league pennant for the next ten years. Halladay wins the first game, Sabathia wins the second, and Burnett probably wins the third. If he loses, teams face halladay again and its lights out, elimination. He is that good and having watched his whole career unfold, he is the only pitcher in baseball that I want on the mound for a deciding game. He is better than 99 percent of the pitchers now on his worst day and he is no hitter capable every time he takes the mound. Learn the facts first and hope the Angels get him or every season becomes a dreamfest, hoping for what may have been. Any time a team can obtain a hall of fame pitcher that wins 20 games a season, you don’t worry about giving up pitchers that win 12 games a year to obtain him. When it comes to attitude, the Doc has one of the best in baseball. He does his job to the best of his ability and never complains or disrupts the clubhouse like hundreds of other superstars we all know about.
Santana might be the logical choice, but Saunders might be the more attractive for the Blue Jays. Although he’s entering arbitration, Saunders has less service time, is lefty, and can usually travel pretty deep into games. Plus, Santana is always a bit iffy.
If they can trade away a “sure thing” that ends up being a defensive replacement like Kotchman is now, and get Halladay for even half a year, that’d be a great deal. The Angels definitely got bailed out by Morales having an excellent year (but I don’t see Wood repeating that if Figgins goes).
And it’s too bad that GMs don’t make moves based on fan polls, because making Santana or Saunders the key player in a Halladay deal is a no-brainer. I like Kendrick, but I’d add him and a prospect. It’s a lot easier to get a back-end starter and a serviceable second baseman with a better glove than it is one ace. But I don’t see why Toronto would accept any deal without Weaver or Aybar.
Halladay owns Boston and New York and is our best chance at beating them in the post season without Lackey. Imagine the Doc’s numbers when he pitches most of his games outside of the AL East……the key is LOCKING him in for about 4 years and avoiding r@pe with the talent we give up for him. I say give up Santana, Napoli, Wood, Trumbo and Osullivan/Bell. Remember prospects have Potential which rarely pans out to SUPERSTAR whereas DOC HALLADAY is a PROVEN SUPERSTAR. Good Pitching always beat good hitting so pull this trade Tony! Imagine
Starting Pitching: Halladay, Weaver, Kazmir, Saunders/Santana, Palmer/ Deucherer?
Lineup: Aybar, Abreu, Bay, Morales, Hunter, Rivera, Kendrick, Mathis , Izturis
No matter who you trade for Halladay, you can’t make that deal unless it includes the ability to sign Halladay to a brand new contract as part of the deal.
Otherwise it’s a one-year rental that you’re probably giving up a lot of talent for.
Toronto isn’t going to take Scott Kazmir’s contract in such a trade, considering they’re still trying to shed payroll.
I like Weaver, but sometime in the future, Scott Boras will hold up the Angels like he did when Weaver was first signed. This is such a down side that Weaver should be traded if the deal is right
I agree with Lee. Weaver is going to be a free agent either after 2010 or 2011. No way the Angels give him what Boras will want. So trade him now and get value for him. Holliday fits the mold of Angels players = quiet, hard working, and a team player. I say go for Weaver, Bourjos and another prospect for Holliday. Sign him to a 4 year extension for $72M.
Send Mosely (or Palmer/O’Sullivan), Kendrick (average at best defensively), Napoli (poor defensive catcher), Willits (deserves to play somewhere after the fantastic year he had in I think ‘07), and a minor leaguer for Halliday. No brainer assuming Halliday re-signs a long term deal. Toronto would not want any high price Angel contracts; otherwise give them the inconsistent Santana. If the Angels can also sign Jason Bay (LF) and move Rivera to right and Abreu to DH = GIGANTIC improvement. Weaver was the best Angels starting pitcher for the bulk of the season last year. Saunders should not be traded. His ceiling is too high.
are you kidding? jason bay to left field and rivera to right and abreau to dh, and you have the audsity to have your name as baseballer, bay is horrible LF, keep everyone in outfield the way they are and have jason bay dh, he is much better hitter than he is fielder, but i really don’t want him, our outfield is pretty good to go, how about including gary matthews in the trade, so i say weaver/ santana(weaver because contract coming and with scott borass and santana because he is so inconsistant), matthews and kendrick and a prospect pitcher
What a bunch of name chasers you alleged Angel fans are. SANTANA is an absolute ace in the making. The kid is still young but experienced enough now that this is the time where most pitchers head into dominance (those that have the stuff to dominant). As we have all seen, when the kid has his good stuff, he’s dominant, when he has his great stuff, he’s better than LACKEY and that is what makes an ace because LACKEY is not that, an ace.
Santana is no “ace” in the making. Just another guy with a great arm who looks like an ace when he commands everything. Lackey does not have Santana’s stuff but commands his pitches, keeps his head in the game and is as consistent as anyone. Whether or not anyone is an “ace” is a pretty subjective topic, anyways, but you can’t argue with Lackey’s results compared to those of Santana. Which isn’t to say punt Santana and give Lackey a silly contract, but I think its highly unlikely that Ervin has a better career than Big John, even from this point forward.
Carlos, you said “Lackey…keeps his head in the game…” more like he losses his head as soon as anything goes wrong. Lackey is good but that comment was way off the mark.
Fair enough. He does get pretty emotional out there, but Santana seems to lose focus more easily.
I am curious as to why foks keep including Howie Kendrick in any trade with Toronto.
The Blue Jays have a great second baseman in Aaron Hill, who was an All-Star (not because his team needed one representative; Halladay also went) and had 36 HRs and 108 RBIs in 2009.
Hill is 27 and Kendrick is 26, so why Toronto would need him to be Hill’s backup is beyond me — especially as a component of a Halladay deal.
The only way to make this trade is if an extension were to get done prior to the trade occurring. Further, I’d want to include Santana in the deal because that gives us payroll flexibility to get other things done this year and after.
No way i trade Saunders.I think Santana has the biggest upside of any of the starters.I trade Weaver and here is why: He is the least consistent other than this past year.I still question his work ethic off season.Maybe the OC sports writers know more about this.I could honestly careless who they throw in-lol.It’s Halladay, one of the top 3 pitchers in bestball for what the last 5 years.He puts fear into the Sox & Yankees, something none of our other pitchers did/do!!